Saturday, May 13, 2006

Religion of peace, Tolerance and Love , Hey

The following is just a little sample of what’s in the quran:

Qur’an003.028 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”

Qur’an 4.89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Qur’an 5:51 “Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.”

Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”

Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”

Qur’an 9:005 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Un believers wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Qur’an 9:14
YUSUFALI: Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

Qur’an 9:23 O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

Qur’an 9:028 O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Qur’an 9:33 He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions.

Qur’an 9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

Qur’an 2:193 “And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah”

Qur’an 8:71 And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Qur’an 8:65 O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.

Qur’an 22:19-22 “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

Qur’an 48:13 Those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!”

Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations (the Torah and Gospels) and follow this Apostle (Jesus). Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

Qur’an 5:32 : For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.

Qur’an 005:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

Qur’an 47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom:

Here is a thought for you, I switched some of the Quran verses but replaced the word un believers or pagans with the word muslims, here is little taste of your own medicine, tell me how it feel.

We will cast terror into the hearts of Muslims. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12

Let not the non-Muslims take for friends or helpers the Muslims. 3:28,

Rouse the non-Muslims to the fight against Muslims. 8:65,

Then fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them, 9:5,

Fight the Muslims, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14,

O ye the non-Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Islam.9:23,

O ye the non-Muslims! Truly the Muslims are unclean. 9:28,

O ye non-Muslims! fight the Muslims who gird you about, and let them find harshness in you. 9:123,

Therefore, when ye meet the Muslims, smite at their necks; At length. 47:4,

“Allah made the Muslims leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.” 33:26-27

Do you have any problem with that? I wonder why? If they are good, then taste them. If they are bad remove them from your satanic book of Quran. If this does not jolt Muslims to reality, I don’t know what will? If this does not bring them to their senses, can we still call them humans? Give me one good reason why we should not do to you what you want to do to us? Only a fool can't see these teachings are satanic.

Please check the Islamic sources. Don’t get mad at me, I did not write this crap, according to muslims GOD wrote The Quran.

68 Comments:

At 3:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mis interpreted it.

It's NOT encouraging us to go do violence. It's telling us we should leave God to do the punishments, and humans should be good to one another for rewards.

 
At 3:28 AM, Blogger Hamba Allah said...

Nice try, smithy. (NOT)

You have purposely lumped those quotes together, with your own interpretations, excluding the rest of the Quran. By excluding MANY important parts of the Quran, thus you purposely want to warp the views of impressionable readers and lure them into your own devilish negative influence.

So tell me can you include the WHOLE INTEGRAL Holy Quran? ;D

Pity. See you on judgement day.

 
At 3:31 AM, Blogger Hamba Allah said...

You're purposely doing all this to sabotage Islam.



I am a Muslim, I have all the rights to defend my religion.

But remember no matter how hard you will try, you won't be able to ruin everything.

Because we know that God is Fair.

You purposely just want to spread your own menacing bad influence, an addition to your purposeless life, when in fact you have not even mentioned the MANY MANY important teachings of Islam.

One day, you'll even feel really ashamed of yourself.

 
At 3:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You yourself said"The following is just a little sample of what’s in the quran:"

" you have purposely excluded many important, meaningful parts of the Quran."


You purposely lump these quotes together, that are meant to be for fairness, but you lump them together with your FALSE and FAKE interpretations, to make others think wickedly of Islam.
Masya-Allah.......

Al Quran integrally and wholly is a good, sacred, beautiful book and you wish to destroy it by misinterpretation MISINTERPRETATION DEVIL'S INTERPRETATION OF a few verses.

Go die smithy. Ur useless.

 
At 4:54 AM, Blogger Nurul Izzati Izzie said...

Well well smithy since you want to open up a debate on the basis of Islamic evidence, we Muslims will be ready to take on it. :)

How come, you did not include many other verses of the Quran. how come you exclude these:

(I am a Malay so I shall translate the arab verses into malay then explain in English. if you are in doubt, look for another malay to english translator)

From the Holy Quran, God's book

Surah An Nissak Verse -58

"Sesungguhnya Allah menyuruhmu, supaya kamu membayarkan amanat kepada yang empunya, dan apabila kamu menghukum antara manusia, hendaklah kamu hukum dengan keadilan. Sesungguhnya Allah sebaik2 mengajar kepadamu. Sesungguhnya Allah Mahamendengar lagi Maha Melihat"

It means,that Allah orders to take the necessary responsibilities towards ourselves and others. Examples of these responsibilities (amanat)

a. belongings of others we are supposed to take care. (so we must be honest in taking care of others' belonging)

b. the deep secrets of others, when we are confided with such secrets, we must keep them.

c. keep our promises.

d. take care of our health.

e. take care of earth from destruction


Surah Al-an'aam Verse -152-

"Dan janganlah kamu hampiri harta anak yatim, kecuali dengan jalan yang terbaik, hingga ia dewasa. Dan sempurnakanlah sukatan dan timbangan dengan keadilan. Tiadalah kami berati diri, melainkan sekedar tenaganya,dan apabila kamu berkata hendaklah berlaku adil, walaupun terhadap karib2mu sendiri and tepatilah janji Allah. Demikianlah Allah berwasiat kepadamu, mudah2an kamu mendapat peringatan."

Another demonstration of goodwill is that people are NOT NOT allowed to abuse and misuse the belongings of orphans, so that to further adequate the poor orphans' needs and desires.

And also, Allah asks us to practise fairness and equality in terms of measurement. And alsoin general life, we should ALWAYS BE FAIR



And here's a little something for you delusional terrorists and delusional Muslim-killers who pathetically think Islam is about shooting others:

Holy Quran

Surah Al-mumtahinah Verse -8-

"Allah tiada melarang kamu berbuat baik dan berlaku adil kepada orang-orang yang tiada memerangi kamu, kerana agamamu dan tiada pula mengusir kamu dari negerimu. Sesungguhnya Allah mengasihi orang-orang yang berlaku adil."

-Allah loves those who are fair. Allah allows and encourages for Muslims to be KIND and FAIR and TOLERANT towards non-Muslims, NO problem with that, AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AND OPPOSE MUSLIMS VIOLENTLY.

Thus, proving that in Islam, we are ONLY SOLELY ONLY ONLY asked to fight people who ATTACK MUSLIMS BRUTALLY AND FATALLY.

Surah At-taubah -Verse 6-

"Jika seseorang di antara orang-orang musyrik minta perlindungan kepadamu, hendaklah engkau perlindungi, sehingga ia mendengar perkataan Allah, kemudian sampaikanlah dia ke tempat keamanannya. Demikian itu, karena mereka satu kaum yang tiada mengetahui."

Verse 7- "Betapa akan ada perjanjian bagi orang2 musyrik disisi Allah dan Rasulnya, kecuali pada orang2 yang telah berjanji kamu dengan mereka dimesjidil Haram. Maka selama mereka lurus kepada kamu, hendaklah kamu lurus terhadap mereka.Sesungguhnya Allah mengasihi orang2 yang taqwa"

It means, if non-Muslim believers seek help and protection from Muslims, Allah asks us to give them adequate protection.

Yes, we are asked to advise them to convert to Islam. But if they refuse, then we should respect their decision.

It means, as long as the non-Islamic believers are kind and honest to us, we Muslims should do the same to them and in return, Allah will love us.


So think ten times before spurting idiotic and stupid accusations!

 
At 4:55 AM, Blogger Nurul Izzati Izzie said...

:D and there's plenty more!!

 
At 9:21 AM, Blogger smithy said...

the verse are very clear and not subject o interpretation.

Could you please help me interpret this crap below.

Qur’an 47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom

And as far as lumping the bad quotes and forgetting about the good, is like asking me to forgive all the nazis for their evil acts because they were also good fathers to their children, even Hitler treated his sister and niece with love and affection.

You can’t can't ask people to kill, crucify, maim and disfigure your fellow man because they don’t agree with your religion and then say god is merciful because he tell you to eat together and keep your promise (keep your promise to Muslims only may I add), that is laughable.
The message is very clear. Muslims quote those 'goodies' from the Qur’an are actually showing the dead 'Meccan Islam' to the vast majority of the ignorant non-Muslims (as well as half-informed Muslims that is you guys posting comments on my blog) to camouflage the most up to date version of Islam; i.e. the living and breathing 'Medina Islam'. The strategies are very clear:

When in the West or in the land of the infidels or when weak, then practice 'Meccan Islam'.

When in Islamic paradises or when the number of Muslims becomes sizable in an infidels land, then practice 'Medina Islam' or the 'real Islam'.
The sooner the humanity discovers this double face of Islam (a la Roman god Janus) the quicker will it be saved from the further catastrophe of the like of 9-11.

Why nobody is commenting about the info on this link. everybody is busy attacking me personally and citing other subject not related to the issues raised. I don’t care if Muhammad tells you to wipe your ass with an odd number of stones or to use your left hand when you urinate, this stuff are absurd and funny I worry about the barbarity that you all are not only refusing to admit to but find all kinds of methods to excuse it and accuse me of not understanding and misinterpreting.

down load the file on that link and refute it, I want to be wrong, I want to see good in people, I want to believe that Islam is peaceful but everything I read tells me other wise.

 
At 10:30 AM, Blogger smithy said...

(Hamba Allah said...
You're purposely doing all this to sabotage Islam.)

Sabotaging islam or ruining Islam's image doesn't need any help from me. Islamic teachings and muslims actions does a great job sabotaging itself on it's own, they don’t need any assistance damaging their own image. GOOD JOB

It’s been 1400 years!!! time to change your ways, you would think after 1400 years of misery, muslim scholars and sociologist would say oooooooomaybe that’s not working! It’s time for change.

 
At 8:15 PM, Blogger Nurul Izzati Izzie said...

"And as far as lumping the bad quotes and forgetting about the good, is like asking me to forgive all the nazis for their evil acts because they were also good fathers to their children, even Hitler treated his sister and niece with love and affection. "


Very bad analogy.

Okay then... have it your way..

"Qur’an 47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom"
-your interpretation.. bring it together with THIS VERSES

Surah At-taubah -Verse 6-

"Jika seseorang di antara orang-orang musyrik minta perlindungan kepadamu, hendaklah engkau perlindungi, sehingga ia mendengar perkataan Allah, kemudian sampaikanlah dia ke tempat keamanannya. Demikian itu, karena mereka satu kaum yang tiada mengetahui."

Verse 7- "Betapa akan ada perjanjian bagi orang2 musyrik disisi Allah dan Rasulnya, kecuali pada orang2 yang telah berjanji kamu dengan mereka dimesjidil Haram. Maka selama mereka lurus kepada kamu, hendaklah kamu lurus terhadap mereka.Sesungguhnya Allah mengasihi orang2 yang taqwa"

It means, if non-Muslim believers seek help and protection from Muslims, Allah asks us to give them adequate protection.

Yes, we are asked to advise them to convert to Islam. But if they refuse, then we should respect their decision.

It means, as long as the non-Islamic believers are kind and honest to us, we Muslims should do the same to them and in return, Allah will love us.



So clearly, you have to analyze and interpret the Quran wisely. Obviously it just means we are to attack NON-BELIEVERS WHO ATTACK US VIOLENTLY! get it? Still dumb?

That's WHY RELIGIOUS EDUCATION IS INTRODUCED.

That's WHY it's a book. U can't just judge one part of the story.

And no quotes in the quran are bad. you just misinterpreted it, satan's fool

 
At 8:24 PM, Blogger Nurul Izzati Izzie said...

"You can’t can't ask people to kill, crucify, maim and disfigure your fellow man because they don’t agree with your religion "

Of course! that's why Surah At-taubah Verse 6 & 7, if non-believers disagree but do nothing harmful towards muslims, then Allah asks us to respect non-Muslims!

I would've respected you but you went too far. You told a lot of lies.


And another thing, can you not compare Hitler to a religion?

Hitler is an individualistic dictator, Islam is a sacred religion.

Want more proof? Look at the world now.

I know there are some idiots who practise terrorism.. but then again at the same time, there are more than millions of Muslims who care about peace, and they've been more Islamic-educated than you.

 
At 7:56 AM, Blogger smithy said...

Not a single verse from the quran I wrote was a lie! Look them up.
calling me a liar is not going to make the problem go a way.


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Again I will list this paragraph from my other comment

Muslims quote those 'goodies' from the Qur’an are actually showing the dead 'Meccan Islam' to the vast majority of the ignorant non-Muslims (as well as half-informed Muslims that is you guys posting comments on my blog) to camouflage the most up to date version of Islam; i.e. the living and breathing 'Medina Islam'. The strategies are very clear:
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No back to Hitler, The analogy with Hitler is valid and a half. You seem to have double standards for MuhamMAD and the rest of the world. If a 54 years old man marries a 9 years old girl we call him a pedophile and throw him in jail, when Muhammad does it we call it he honored her father abu baker by fucking his daughter. Would you open your eyes? The prophet Muhammad should be held to higher standards than Hitler if anything Hitler is a humble student of MuhamMAD. Actually muhamMAD he was worst, Hitler never raped a 9 years old girl. Not only he raped that little girl he even had wet dreams about her, here is the hadith.

AROUSED BY DREAMS OF LITTLE GIRLS
Twice he dreamt of a little girl, the 6 year old pretty daughter of his best friend Abu. She was wrapped in a silk cloth. He uncovered the silk cloth to see more of her.
Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 15:
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said (to me), "You have been shown to me twice in (my) dreams. A man was carrying you in a silken cloth and said to me, 'This is your wife.' I uncovered it; and behold, it was you. I said to myself, 'If this dream is from Allah, He will cause it to come true.'"
He ended up marrying the 6 year old girl of his dreams.

When a man kills a whole group of people we call him a war criminal or a mass murderer. When Muhammad lines up all the Jewish men, and the boys with cubic hair and put them to the knife and sell their wives and children to slavery you say the jews were running mischief in the land. When MuhamMAD ethnically cleansed the Jews from Yathrib they did nothing to him, he was just mad from Quraysh not letting him in Mecca and forced him to sign the Hudybia treaty. So he took his anger on the Jews.

Again a man of god should be held to higher standards than normal man.
MuhamMAD was AROUSED BY CLOSE RELATIVES
One day Apostle of Allah walked into his adopted son Zaid’s house. Zaid was not there but he caught a glimpse of his voluptuous and beautiful wife Zainab (she was apostle’s first cousin) in her birthday suit.
Tabari wrote:
"One day Muhammad went out looking for Zaid. Now there was a covering of hair cloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet".
The admiration aroused him instantly, which Zainab also noticed and mentioned it to her husband Zaid later. He rushed to his father’s house and offered Zainab to him. Mohammed worried about possible bad press and refused to accept it. But Allah will not take no for an answer and insisted on their union.
Q 33:37 We gave her (Zaid’s wife) unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there may be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons”.
If a man forces his son to divorce his wife and takes her for himself we call him an ugly pervert when MuhamMAD did it to his son Zaid and fucked his own daughter in-law he wrote a verse in the quran to justify it and the whole muslim world have no problem with it, like a bunch of cows herded to the barn.

Apostle , in order to spread the cheer, used to invite all his wives to come and watch when he was in bed with one of them. Once while making love to Ayesha he wanted to grab Zainab who was standing next to the bed and watching. This did not go very well with Ayesha who was the youngest and of very possessive nature. A shouting match started between Ayesha and Zainab. The altercation continued till early morning and apostle had to leave for fajr prayer without finishing the job.
Bukhari, Book 008, Number 3450:
Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) had nine wives. So when he divided (his stay) with them, the turn of the first wife did not come but on the ninth (day). They (all the wives) used to gather every night in the house of one where he had to come (and stay that night). It was (the night when he had to stay) in the house of 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her), when Zainab came there. He (the Holy Prophet) stretched his hand towards her (Zainab), whereupon she ('A'isha) said: It is Zainab. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) withdrew his hand. There was an altercation between the two until their voices became loud (and it was at that time) when Iqama was pronounced for prayer. There happened to come Abu Bakr and he heard their voices and said: Messenger of Allah, (kindly) come for prayer, and throw dust in their mouths. So the Prophet (may peace be upon him) went out.
If a common man had this big orgy with his women we would call him a pervert, but when muhamMAD does it the Apostle’s greatest miracle. Allah had given him libido of 30 men.

Have had enough punishment yet. Look up these stories I listed the source the book volume and the number don't call me a liar. You need to go to this link, read it and come back and argue with me. Only when you finish reading come back.

 
At 5:25 AM, Blogger Nurul Izzati Izzie said...

For goodness sake, the verses I quoted WERE NOT LIES EITHER. They came from the source: the Holy Al Quran.

Well, perhaps "lying" is a wrong term. Perhaps I should define your twisted as views as "false interpretation."


You still haven't studied the Quran properly. You haven't understood and analyze every detail of the true stories, but instead took a few of it and choose to twist to the few to fit your own interpretation. That's very self-centered and low.

There are many verses in the Quran which can clarify against adultery and sexual crimes, which i will print out on the net soon enough. Prophet Muhammad has NEVER committed those things, you just choose to misinterpret what God has said.

 
At 5:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smithy says: Again I will list this paragraph from my other comment

Muslims quote those 'goodies' from the Qur’an are actually showing the dead 'Meccan Islam' to the vast majority of the ignorant non-Muslims (as well as half-informed Muslims that is you guys posting comments on my blog) to camouflage the most up to date version of Islam; i.e. the living and breathing 'Medina Islam'. The strategies are very clear:
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I say: That doesn't make. So, some sayings fall to 'Medina' category and some others fall to 'Mecca' category. All of the sayings make up the Quran entirely, and people still read them, whether 'Mecca' and 'Medina'. If you're so damn interested, go back to religious education. You've seriously wrongly--interpreted and extremely misled. Sorry for you.

And Prophet Muhammad is a kind person, you misinterpret God's word very incorrectly.

God gave Prophet Muhammad dreams, to show him enlightment. It did not necessarily mean Prophet Muhammad had """wet""" dreams.

When God gave someone a dream, do you seriously think it's just an ordinary dream and the woman will just appear naked?

God brings enlightment.

God's words cannot be easily comprehended, unless you have God's light.

Unless you have real knowledge.

And you're too arrogant and confident, that you go against God. Shame on you.

 
At 9:26 AM, Blogger smithy said...

dear Izzati,

when you read the quran and isalmic history objectively and without bias You would arrive to the same conclusion I did.

I urge you to read these two documents The root of Terror and women in islam

Don’t worry God wont't burn you in hell fire for reading, Muahmmad said request knowledge if you have to go to china or something to that effect. I don’t have that exact hadith, but the meaning is there.

 
At 1:46 PM, Blogger smithy said...

(dear Mr. anonymous about

So, some sayings fall to 'Medina' category and some others fall to 'Mecca' category. All of the sayings make up the Quran entirely, and people still read them, whether 'Mecca' and 'Medina'.)

We can divide the propagation of Islam by Mohammad in four distinct phases. These phases are:

1. Peaceful persuasion
2. Fighting for defense
3. Limited attack
4. Open aggression

This simple doctrine of abrogation says that when there are confusions (i.e. contradictory statements in Qur’an), the later verses abrogate the former contradictory verses. The result is that only the latest category of verses remains valid without any doubt. That is why it is so important to know the chronological order of verses in Qur’an.

Let us hear from a modern translator (Yusuf Ali is too old) of the Qur’an and Hadith.

"So at first 'the fighting' was forbidden, then it was permitted and after that it was made obligatory against those who start 'the fighting' against you (Muslims) and against all those who worship others along with Allah".

(Ref. Introduction section of the English translation of Sahih Bukhari by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Medina Islamic University).

In the same section Dr M. Muhsin Khan writes further

, "Then Allah revealed in Sura Bara’at (9) the order to discard (all) the obligations (covenants, etc.) and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the pagans as well as against the people of the scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizya (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians who do not embrace Islam and are under the protection of an Islamic government) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (9:29). So they (Muslims) were not permitted to abandon ‘the fighting’ against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the possibility of fighting against them."

Jalaluddin Suyuti wrote Itqan fi 'ulum-il-Qur’an in 1497 AD. This book is the Tafsir (explanation) of Qur’an and is highly regarded. It is a compulsory reading for any one who wants to study Qur’an for its 'real meanings'. His another famous book is Istenbat al-Tanzeel. In this book

Suyuti wrote,"everything in the Qur’an about forgiveness is abrogated by verse 9:5".

Please read that above quote again if you are really serious about Islam. Remember that this verse has a chronology order of 113 (Remember? There are 114 suras in Qur’an).

Islamic apologists often quote the following verses to portray the mercy and forgiveness in Islam.
To you is your religion and to me is mine...109:6

No compulsion in religion...2:256

Turn away from those who join false gods with Allah...15:94

Unfortunately, all those 'goodies' of Qur’an are canceled if we follow the Tafsir (explanation) of Suyuti and the doctrine of abrogation) regarding the verse of the sword (9:5).

Islamists write to fool the non-Muslims in believing what George Bush is drumming, 'Islam is a peaceful religion'. Any one who has a workable knowledge on Islamic matters knows for sure that her writings are very misleading and does not tell the truth at all. When they write quoting verse 2:190

"the only permissible war (in the Qur’an is one of self defense. Muslims must not begin hostilities"

They are clearly being dishonest in telling the truth about the phase four of Islamic war which calls all Muslims to declare a total war on the house of Harb (i.e. the infidels abodes). Phase four of Jihad is valid until all the people of the world are converted to Islam. Thus, today's Muslims are in perpetual war with the infidels whether they (the Muslims) are in an Islamic paradise like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh (recently included, previously not), Iran ...or in infidel lands like USA, UK, Canada, France...etc.

Here is another quote from Alsaylu Jarar (4:518-519) by Al-Shawkani. Shawkani is a famous writer on Islamic matters. His writings are authoritative and are used by the Jihadis to justify their merciless actions.

"Islam is unanimous about fighting the unbelievers and forcing them to Islam or submitting and paying Jizya tax (protection money for the Jews and the Christians only) or being killed. The verse about forgiving them are abrogated unanimously by the obligation of fighting in any case".

Can you living in the comfort of non-Muslim freethinking society refute the above assertion by an eminent Alim (Islamic scholar)?

Please note that verse 9:5 is a very important verse of Qur’an. This verse marks the transition from the phase of showing mercy (phase 1) and forgiveness to the unbelievers to the phase of open aggression on them (phase 4). As told before, this verse is known as the verse of the sword. This verse cancels all the verses containing mercy, tolerance, and forgiveness to the non-Muslims (as many as 111 to 124 verses; you got to scan the entire Qur’an; anything forgiving, merciful, friendship is out).

Also, note carefully how the chronology order increases as Mohammad turns from a non-violent (like Buddha) person to a fascist nazi like Hitler/Mussolini/Osama/Ayatollah. In fact, we can safely conclude that Mohammad was a saint before the chronology order of the Qur’an was below 87 but he became a fascist dictator after this.

Again note that the chronology order in the final phase of open aggression against all non-Muslims of the world (phase 4) is almost the end (113) chapter (sura) of Qur’an (Remember? There are 114 suras in Qur’an).

Is lying allowed in Islam? I must be a nut to ask such a question! Of course, not, you say. Lying is a great sin in Islam; at least the Islamists will let us believe this. This is a complete delusion. Muslims are allowed to tell lies in order to make the religion of Islam rule the world. Would you not believe me? See for yourself what Imam Ghazali (another supreme Islamic scholar) says:

"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praise worthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible " (Ref: Ahmad Ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller , Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745).

And what could be the noblest goal of a Muslim than to make Islam rule world? This is the secret why the Islamists constantly lie about their religion when they are in West. Because, if they tell the truth, no one will be attracted to Islam.

Islamists often attack the secularists and freethinkers whenever they (secularists/freethinkers) quote the offensive verses of the Qur’an by 'out of context' arguments.

What could be more clear and forceful evidences / proofs than what has been told above that 'out of context' argument by the Islamic apologists is a total hoax?

So cut the crap, I got your number.

(You also said And you're too arrogant and confident, that you go against God. Shame on you.)

what is more shameful in your mind, me writing the truth or a man claiming prophet hood have a wet dream about a 6 years old girl. you are pointing shame in the wrong direcion.

Obviously you're faith have diluted your judgment, it’s nice to have an open mind but not so opened that your brain fall off and render your thinking useless.

 
At 10:06 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

well SMITHY if my religion permitted me i 2 could use explicit language like u(**s.***Ketc)i would have used it. BUT U QUOTE SOME PART AND LEAVE OTHER: It may be that Allah will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For Allah has power (over all things); and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[8] Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

[9] Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out, of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.(60:7-9) IT IS CLEAR IN ITSELF THERE AINT ANY NEED 4 EXPLANATION.THIS WAS ALL ABOUT HOSTILITY.THIS TIME U QUOTED A PART OF VERSE NOT ME VERY CLEVER : Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”WHOLE OF IT SAYS :And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

[192] But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[193] And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. (2:191-193).REGARDING FOLLOWING Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.” I HAVE THIS(AGAIN U QUOTED HALF OF IT NAUGHTY BOY):72] They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Al-Masih the son of Maryam." But said Al-Masih: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah, Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. (5:72)AND Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (5:82){ITS TRUE 4 JEWS TOO!} OK DIS TIME IT WAS FULL VERSE :Qur’an 9:14
YUSUFALI: Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers, .AND VERSE BEFORE IT SAYS:] Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe! (9:13)and verse following it (QUOTED BY U)VERSE SAYS: And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All Wise. OK I AGREE WID Qur’an 9:005 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Un believers wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.BUT VERSE BE4 DIS 1 SAYS [4] (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous. AND AFTER DAT 1 SAYS :If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge. (9:06)[DONT KILL ANY INNOCENT PAGAN)ABRAHAM(PBUH)ALSO LEFT HIS FATHER WHEN HE DISBELIVED AND WE HAVE 2 DO THE SAME.THE PAGANS OF ARABIA USED TO CIRCUMBULATE KA,ABA IN A NAKED STATE SO THEY WERE FORBIDDEN AND ALSO THEY WERE IMPURE COZ THEY WERE NOT CIRCUMCISED AND WERE UNCLEAN IN A UNHYGENIC WAY.INSHAALLAH ISLAM WILL PREVAIL !all others have been clarified more over (25:63)63] And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!" .ABOUT ALL VERSE INDICATING PUNISHMENT TO NON BELIEVERS IT IS IN ALL THE THREE ABRAHIMIC RELIGIONS (JUDAISM ,ISLAM AND CHRITIANITY).
THE VERSES OF QURAN MENTIONED ABOVE ONLY TELLS DAT ATTACK ONLY THOSE WHO ATTACK U IN A GIST OF ALL VERSES INDICATING ATTACKS ON DISBELIEVERS :"KILL THOSE WHO KILL YOU,BUT DO NOT TRANSGRESS ,FOR ALLAH LIKES NOT THOSE WHO TRANSGRESS."

 
At 10:09 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

REGARDING WOMEN IN JUDAISM JEWISH MEN SAY IN THEIR DAILY MORNING PRAYER"WE THANK GOD,KING OF HEAVENS AND EARTH FOR NOT MAKING US WOMEN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
At 12:48 PM, Blogger smithy said...

KASHIF_IIT_INDIA


Obviously you never read any of my comments, so I am not going to bother responding. I can only tell you read my previous comments and dispute them, don’t come up with other Meccan verses that have been abrogated. Refute the verses I listed; are they part of the teaching of islam or not. Let me spare you the answer, yes they are and they are the most current and what's adopted. You can’t ask me to respect Hitler because he was very affectionate to his sister and niece therefore he was a compassionate man, he is still the same ugly man. The same applies here.

As far as women rights, I don’t follow any religion but in all my reading only muslims disrespect women and deprive them from any respect and any rights while the scholars of islam claim how Islam respect women and how was the first institution to constitute laws for women. The order of Instituting an unjust laws (first or last) is irrelevant but muslims are like blind cows herded by their mullah into believing anything they say. Islam was fist therefore it’s the best. How dumb is that.

Read this essay about women in islam on this link and don’t come back with any comments till you read it.

 
At 1:00 AM, Anonymous Kashif_iit_india said...

mr smithy,
perhaps u dont know or even if u know u r neglectung it.We muslims believe in nothing out of QUR'AN & SUNNAH.THE SUNNAH COMPRUSES OF THE SAYINGS AND DOINGS OF ALLAH'S BELOVED(SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA ALIHI WASSALLAMU TASLIMAN KASEERAN KASEERA)& SAHAABA-E-KARAM{MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH THEM ALL}(THOSE WHO EMBRACED ISLAM AT THE TIME OF PROPHET[SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA ALIHI WASSALLAMU TASLIMAN KASEERAN KASEERA]& SAW HIM IN THAT STATE&OF TAABAIN (SONS OF SAHAABA OR GENERATION OF BELIEVERS AFTER SAHABA)&TAB-E-TAABAIN(GRANDSONS OF SAHABA OR GENERATION AFTER TAABAIN.(MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH THEM ALL).ANYTHING OUT OF SUNNAH RELATED TO ANYTHING IS NOT BINDING ON US WE ONLY HAVE TO FOLLOW SUNNAH AND QUR'AN REGARDING JUDGING ANYTHING.NO OTHER STATEMENT HAS AUTHORUTY ON US OUTSIDE QUR'AN AND SUNNAH.THE SCHOLARS QUOTED BY U JALAALUDDIN SUYUTI,IMAM GHAZAALI,DR M MUHSIN KHAN(MAY ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON THEM ALL) DO NOT FALL IN ANY OF THESE CATEGORY.REGARDING AGGRESSIVE VERSES: THEY WERE REVEALED IN BATTLEFIELD.TELL ME OF ANY ARMY GENERAL WHO WILL SAY AT SUCH A PLACE TO BOOST THE"GO AND GIVE A KISS ON THE CHEEK OF ENEMY WHO HAS TAKEN UR HOUSE AND PROPERTY AND IS THERE TO KILL U AND UR FAMILY".THE WORDS HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVELY MORAL BOOSTING FOR AN ARMY OF 300 GOING TO TAKE OVER AN ARMY OF 1300.REGARDING PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA ALIHI WASSALLAMU TASLIMAN KASEERAN KASEERA)'S MARRAIGE .OUT OF 12 WOMEN HE MARRIED 11 WERE EITHER WIDOWS OR DIVORCED.AND THE STATE OF WOMEN IN THOSE YEARS WERE MUCH WORSE THAN NOW AND IN ORDER TO HELP THEM FULLY HE HAD TO TAKE UP THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OF RESPECT AND DIGNITY AND OF LAWFUL FOOD.TELL ME OF A BETTER WAY TO TAKE UP FULL RESPONSIBILITY OF A WOMAN THAN MARRIAGE.(LIVE-IN?!!)
REGARDING AAYESHA (MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH HER )SHE (MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH HER) WAS HIS(SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA ALIHI WASSALLAMU TASLIMAN KASEERAN KASEERA) MOST BELOVED WIFE IF HE(SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA ALIHI WASSALLAMU TASLIMAN KASEERAN KASEERA) HAD WILLED[MAY ALLAH FORGIVE ME FOR WRITING THIS IF IT IS WRONG; WALLAHU 'ALAMU)HE WOULD DONE THE SME AS THE BISHOPS AND PRIESTSIN THE WEST ;DO SODOMISE THE CHILDREN.REGARDING WOMEN U SAID AND I READ THE LINK 'but in all my reading only muslims disrespect women and deprive them from any respect and any rights'.TALK ABOUT ISLAM DUDE; NOT MUSLIMS COMPARE IT TO OTHER RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS LIKE JUDAISM AND CHRITIANITY THEN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM.TALK ABOUT RELIGION NOT ABOUT FOLLOWERS. HOW MANY BUDDHISTS DONT KILL AN ANT?

 
At 7:10 AM, Blogger smithy said...

Kashif_iit_india

You did not even read the link DUDE. The link talk about what the quran says and what muhaMAD said about women, not about muslims, Go read it and don’t make comments till you read it don’t waste my time with crap!! Read the link and comment on the contents of that document don’t go on tangents and peculiar nonsense.

As far as the marrying all these woman was an act of charity I would recommend you listen to this audio .

As far as the war:

Do you think the story below is an acceptable behavior of a man of GOD.

Muslims suffer from a severe case of narcissistic personality. Only muslims think the murder and torture of Kinana the former husband of Safiya to steal the treasures of the jews of Yathrib is a heroic action of the prophet muhaMAD. So Muhammad the best of gods creation tortured and beheaded a man to plunder the booties of the Jews, then he raped his wife Safia oops he married here, after killing most of her family and her husband. Only muslims with their narcissistic personality think that is there is nothing wrong with this barbarity, it must be OK since the prophet did it.

 
At 10:26 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

] It is He Who created YOU from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her (in love). When they are united, she bears a light burden and carries it about (unnoticed). When she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah their Lord, (saying): "If Thou givest us a goodly child, we vow we shall (ever) be grateful."
HERE YOU CANNOT MEAN A MAN .IF YOU READ VERSE CLEARLY IT TALKS ABOUT CREATION FROM A SINGLE PERSON.PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WASSALLAM)HAD ONE MOTHER AND ONE FATHER(MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH THEM BOTH).SO IT MEANS IT ADDRESSES SOME ONE CREATED FROM A SINGLE PERSON.WHO IS IT OFCOURSE NOT ABOUT ONE MAN BECAUSE (ALMOST) EVERYONE HAS ONE FATHER AND ONE MOTHER SO IT ADDRESSES EVERY HUMAN BEING.
Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of thy standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure.
HA HA THE COMMENT ON THIS VERSE IS LAUGHABLE'ALLAH PREFER MEN COZ MEN KEEP THEMSELVES PURE.'HOW CHILDISH!THE VERSE SAYS 'THOSE' WHO KEEP THEMSELVES PURE NOT NECESSARILY MEN.ALSO THE VERSE TALKS ABOUT MEN PRAYING IN THE MOSQUE.IT REFFERS TO THE SPRITUAL PURIFICATION OF ONLY'THOSE'MEN WHO ARE PRAYING AT THE MOSQUE AND ALLAH LOVES ONLY 'THOSE' WHO PURIFY THEM.BE IT MEN OR WOMEN.
Among the Believers are men who have been true to their Covenant with Allah: of them some have completed their vow (to the extreme), and some (still) wait: but they have never changed (their determination) in the least: HERE ALLAH TALKS ABOUT BOTH MEN AND WOMEN.THERE ARE MANY PLACES WHERE ALLAH ADDRESSES THE BELIEVERS IN A MASCULINE TONE BUT IT STANDS FOR BOTH.FOR EG WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT OFFERRING SALAT AND OBSERVING FAST.
By men whom neither traffic nor merchandise can divert from the Remembrance of Allah, nor from regular Prayer, nor from the practice of regular Charity: their (only) fear is for the Day when hearts and eyes will be transformed (in a world wholly new),
AND IF U SEE THE VERSE BEFORE IT SAYS::(Lit is such a light) in houses, which Allah hath permitted to be raised to honour; for the celebration, in them, of His name: in them is He glorified in the mornings and in the evenings, (again and again)THIS AGAIN TALKS ABOUT THOSE PRAYING IN MOUSQUE AND NOT EVERY MAN.
And before thee also the Messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message.
IS IT N OT TRUE THAT WOMEN CAN BREAK DOWN IN ADVERSE CONDITIONS AND CANT FACE THE EXTREMITIES WITH EQUAL STRENGHT ASK A PSYCHOLOGIST.IN A WAY ALLAH SAVED WOMEN FROM BEING FACED WITH SUCH ADVERSITIES AS FACED BY MESSENGERS(PBUT).
OK U CAN LAUGH AT THE LOGIC THAT IF U CANT DO JUSTICE MARRY ONE. TELL ME OF ANY OTHER RELIGION THAT SAYS MARRY ONLY ONE.
OK THERE IS ONLY HALF PART IN PROPERTY FOR WOMEN IN ISLAM TELL ME OF A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM HAVING RIGHTS OF INHERITANCE.
IN FACT A WOMEN GETS 1/2 MORE THAN MEN OTHER HALF IS GIVEN TO HER AS MAHR .
TELL ME OF ANY OTHER RELIGION DAT TALKS OF SUPERIORTY OF WOMEN OVER MEN OR EVEN EQUALITY.
AND REGARDING WOMEN TO BE MARRIED A HADITH'S SUMMERY SAYS U SHOULD LOOK HER RELIGION FIRST.AT HER PIOUS NATURE.

 
At 4:53 PM, Blogger smithy said...

KASHIF_IIT_INDIA

Obviously you don’t mind the unjust laws Islam institute against women. You’re not arguing against their shear existence you are defending their validity and justifying them to your primitive mind. If you can’t even see this simple fact, there is nothing else I can say to you. With all humility and modesty our brains are so far a part; To me having a dialogue with you would be the same as having a dialogue with a baboon and the baboon would be you. Your brain has not evolved yet. Sorry but someone had to break the bad news for you.

 
At 12:28 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

u havent answered me.
i asked u somethings::
OK U CAN LAUGH AT THE LOGIC THAT IF U CANT DO JUSTICE MARRY ONE.GIVE ME A BETTER LOGIC SO AS TO WHY MARRY ONLY ONE AND TELL ME OF ANY OTHER RELIGION THAT SAYS MARRY ONLY ONE.
OK THERE IS ONLY HALF PART IN PROPERTY FOR WOMEN IN ISLAM TELL ME OF A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM HAVING RIGHTS OF INHERITANCE.
IN FACT A WOMEN GETS 1/2 MORE THAN MEN OTHER HALF IS GIVEN TO HER AS MAHR .
TELL ME OF ANY OTHER RELIGION DAT TALKS OF SUPERIORTY OF WOMEN OVER MEN OR EVEN EQUALITY.
U ASKED ME TO READ UR LINK AND THEN COME WITH MY COMMENTS TO U .I DID IT.
LAST NIGHT I OPENED THE QUR'AN AND FOUND A VERSE THEREIN SAYING(gist)::HAVE YOU SEEN HIM WHO
CHANGES BLESSINGS (ISLAM)FROM YOUR LORD AND MISGUIDE MEN WHO HAVE FAITH AND MAKE THEM ONE OF THE DWELLERS OF FIRE(HELL)!
WHAT AN EVIL RESTING PLACE!! (IS HELL)

 
At 9:37 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

sir,u havent answered .what should i make out of ur saying::' To me having a dialogue with you would be the same as having a dialogue with a baboon and the baboon would be you. Your brain has not evolved yet. '
THAT U CANT ANSWER MY QUESTION?ARE U AFRAID U MIGHT BE PROVED WRONG .LET ME TELL YOU I DONT HAVE A PRIMITIVE MINDSET.I BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING LOGICAL AND ISLAM IS ONE OF 'EM.IM A STUDENT OF SCIENCE AND IVE JUST PASSED OUT HIGH SCHOOL(12TH STD) AND IAM AIMING FOR ENGINEERING.IF I DEBATE ABOUT SOMETHING I SEE A LOGIC IN IT; THEN ONLY I PROCEED.
OR SHOULD I SUPPOSE YOU ARE WATCHING FIFA!

 
At 1:16 PM, Blogger smithy said...

KASHIF_IIT_INDIA

No, I have been busy at work and family events. I will answer you in a couple of days, when I have the time to sit down and write.

You seem to enjoy punishment! don't worry, I will give to you soon!!

 
At 9:51 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

ok i am busy with my studies too.u can take ur time.

 
At 1:23 PM, Blogger smithy said...

I wish I have more time, but here is another quick one. If you still think Islam respect women, here is another one for you.

I listed before how Islam put the women in the same level as a donkey and dog. Here is another one, it makes touching a women and taking a shit the same:

4:43 O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands (therewith). Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving

Here is the verse in Arabic that is if you are able to read the language of your masters.

The beauty of Islam islam, their best enemy is nothing else but the quran, LOL

Muslim women must really love their religion or they are just stupid!

Don’t get mad at me, I did not write the quran, I’m only using it as a reference.

I will come back for more writing when my time permits.

 
At 6:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are also parts of the Quran that encourage muslims to use deceipt and treachery to kill their enemies. No wonder so many defensive posts here.

But if the Quran is divinely inspired, how come no good comes from the Muslim countries? Why no technological developments or Nobel Peace prize winners or other positive things of that sort?

Also, why would Allah send a murdering, plundering, raping, pedaphile to spread his word?

Also, if Allah is so good, why is jihad the only path to his paradise/heaven? I mean even the false prophet pedaphile said he wasn't sure he would be able to enter this so called paradise.

Of course that assumes Allah is the good, divine being. And this assumption is as stupid as the one about why he send a false pedaphile prophet to spread his word.

Seems satanically inspired to me.

 
At 9:52 PM, Blogger smithy said...

Finally! Someone with a brain!

Thank you anonymous

 
At 3:39 PM, Anonymous ATIA said...

SMITHY,

I ADMIRE UR PERSISTANCE,U HAVE SO MUCH PATIENCE ,U ARGUE WITH THE TRUTH WITH ALL UR STRENGTH BUT SADLY UR EFORTS ARE GOIN DOWN THE DRAIN,

CANT U PUT UR EFFORTS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTIONS,NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT FOR UR SELF,

TO SAVE UR SOUL?

THINK ABOUT IT
ATIA

 
At 6:27 PM, Blogger smithy said...

Atia,

Frankly I can’t think of a cause more important than awakening 1.2 billion people and averting a world catastrophe caused by the clash between barbarity and civilization.

Muslims should read this; the muslims with brains realize my points are valid. Brain dead people like you will eventually be over run by common sense.

 
At 12:11 PM, Anonymous ATIA said...

hi smithy,this is what i expected from u

u will start abusing me as well,

U HAVE A VERY DEEP PROBLEM MAN,

U ARE AN OBSSEVIVE ABUSER AND U LOVE ABUSING THE TRUTH,

SO SAD, WHAT A MAN CAN DO TO HIS PERSONALITY,,


THE CHOICE IS MAN'S

EITHER COME TO TRUTH AND EXALT UR SOULS OR BECOME AN ABUSER AND ACCURSED,

MAY ALLAH PROTECT US MUSLIMS FROM ALL EVIL ,

SHUT OUT UR BLINDNESS AND THINK WITH AN OPEN MIND

ELSE U WILL JUST SEE FALSEHOOD

 
At 2:11 PM, Blogger smithy said...

Atia,

When are you going to stop talking nonsense and answer my accusation of muhamMAD. You’re always talking semantics and never once did you even refuted any of the facts I presented, when are you going to face the truth yourself and admit that every thing I presented here is the truth and nothing but the truth. You are just engaging with a little taqiya and a little kitman in a futile attempt to save Islam’s face. I present facts, you come back with nonsense. Nothing I can do for your brainwashed soul, in America they say you can take the horse to the water but you can’t force it to drink.

As far as abusing you, that’s also nonsense. You refer to me calling you brain dead as abuse, what would you call the beheading, the killing, torture, looting, raping perpetrated by muhamMAD and his followers all across history and the present time, what do you call this action!! Peaceful act of killing and beheading!!
Calling you brain dead is a fact, when I show you all the facts presented by muslim historian and you came back with a comment like (we love our prophet) nonsense, this is a testimony that you are brain dead. I can’t help you with that.

 
At 12:50 PM, Anonymous ATIA said...

HI SMITHY,

SO U ARE AT IT AGAIN,

TELL ME FIRST,
IF I SEE A MAN BLINDFOLDED BY A TIGHT PIECE OF CLOTH, STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD,HOLDING AN EMPTY GLASS OF WATER AND SHOUTING HIS HEAD OUT "ITS FULL,THE GLASS IS FULL"

WHAT SHOULD I TELL HIM?

SHOULDNT I GENTLY PURSUE HIM TO STOP SHOUTING AND HELP HIM REMOVE THE CLOTH/COVERING FROM HIS EYES,
NOW IF I DO IT,
THE MAN STARTS ABUSING THE BEST MAN IN THE WORLD AND START USING ABUSES AT ME AND LATER HE,IS AFRAID OF ME AND WILL ASK ME GO AWAY!

ALL THIS HE IS DOING JUST TO MAKE PEOPLE SEE THAT THE GLASS HE IS HOLDING IS FULL, WHILE IN REALITY IT IS EMPTY,

WHAT CAN I EXPLAIN TO THE PERSON AND WHAT LOGIC WILL WORK ON HIM,WHEN HE REFUSES TO EVEN ALLOW ME TO HELP HIM,

IMAGINE THE WHOLE SCENE AND U WILL REALSISE THIS IS EXACYTLY WHAT U ARE DOING,

DONT U THINK U NEED TO REMOVE UR COVERING ?

JUST REMOVE IT AND U WILL SEE EVERYTHING CLEARLY!!!!

 
At 1:45 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

hi smithy,
i was busy with my studies so i couldn't write, now ive got little time so now lets start

4:43 O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands (therewith). Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving'
this was the verse quoted by thee.
well touching women means having intimate physical relations with them u would have understood it ,if u had known how to keep oneself clean.clearly it talks about cleaning one's private parts and purifying him from the state of janabah ie impurity due to discharges.a person has to present himself clean before his master.
ur reading sees only muslims coz u see only muslims u dont bother bout any other religion.
anonymous bro jihad is one of the way and not the onlyone .ur consideration of jihad is only holy war.u havent seen the arabic dictionary,i suppose so.
mr smithy i suppose u r older than me but ur explanations match the brain of 10 yr old or less. u quote verses like:
By men whom neither traffic nor merchandise can divert from the Remembrance of Allah, nor from regular Prayer, nor from the practice of regular Charity: their (only) fear is for the Day when hearts and eyes will be transformed (in a world wholly new),
to show that ALLAH(SUBHAN WA TA'ALA)likes only men then u will say ALLAH (SUBHAN WA TA'ALA)hates men after u read this verse:
When We bestow favours on man, he turns away, and gets himself remote on his side (instead of coming to Us); and when evil seizes him, (he comes) full of prolonged prayer! (41:51)

Man does not weary of asking for good (things), but if ill touches him, he gives up all hope (and) is lost in despair(41:49)
u will say men are less grateful to god compared to other sex.
AND U STILL HAVENT ANSWERED MY PREVIOUS QESTIONS.

 
At 1:48 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

AND WE DONT CARE FOR NOBLE PRIZE GIVEN.WILL OUR ENEMIES GIVE US PRIZE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN ENIMITY?
WE LOOK TOWARDS ALLAH FOR OUR PRIZES.

 
At 5:45 PM, Blogger smithy said...

Dear KASHIF_IIT_INDIA,

So you can’t refute the verse you resort to calling names and calling me 10 years old.

It’s a dirty job but some one had to break the news for you. The word (lamastum) means touched it doesn’t mean having sex; which can be translated from two word either (nikah or jemah). And (al-Gaa’it) means defecated, i.e. taking a shit. The interpretation is only in question in your mind, since you can’t refute the facts; muslims are trained to respond with the two typical excuses:

1- It’s out of context
2- It’s the wrong interpretation
3- calling names and threaten with bodily harm.

And here there is nothing out context and there is nothing wrong with the interpretation the, verse is clear, if God wanted to say having sex he would have used Nikah or Jemah but he did not, off course assuming as most simple minded people believe GOD really wrote the quran.

My knowledge of the Arabic language is not in question here, it’s your knowledge of the Arabic language is at questions. Calling me a 10 years old might make you feel better and bigger but it does not change any of the facts, that is god equated taking a shit with touching a women and that is extremely degrading and insulting to my mother as well as your mother and sisters.

And as far as the verses 41:49 and 41:51; Again a typical muslim!!! Response that goes on nonsense tangents and citing stuff that has nothing to do with issue being discussed.

Your comment (anonymous bro jihad is one of the way and not the only one) your statement is either misinformed or intentionally untruthful, playing a little taqiya and little kitman my boy. Jihad is obligatory in Islam, I created this linkjust for you.

As far as answering your question, I already answered you questioned. Being first to create an UNJUST rules does not mean a damn thing.

 
At 3:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is amazing how people can leave in such a state of dellusion.
I mean, I think that all serious religiously people are delluded, but muslims are a tough bunch.
Instead of trying to find verses that contradict the violent ones, why don't you guys just explain how come a text dictated by the perfect, all powerful and omniscient god can bear so many contradictions?
Islam does not even pretend to prescribe a higher mode of living. It is violent and praises violence. The prophet killed, tortured, oppressed like any other violent man of those times.
So if he is a role model, his followers will not do better.
Don't quote nice peaceful verses written by him when he was a nobody in Mecca and had to flee for his life. Rather try to make a serious analysis of the verses written when he was powerful and could decide on who lives and who dies. Explain these verses. The others are not controversial and can be found in many other religious movements and philosophical systems.
Peace

 
At 2:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank you for the site, i wish more people were like you to show what islam trully is. 1.3 billion muslim terrorists running around and very few people are noticing that.

 
At 4:32 PM, Blogger smithy said...

Dear anonymous,

Thank you for the kind words, all I can ask you is to spread the world and dump any political correctness. That is the only way to expose the true nature of muhamMAD’s islam and his followers.

 
At 2:04 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

hey smithy ,meeting after a long time .yeah i was busy with my studies.so all i can state about ur logic is if u say touch means touch then wat do u say about this verse where also the word touch is used it certainly does not have a litteral meaning of to47] She said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: when He hath decreed a Plan, He but saith to it, `Be', and it is! such:qur'an(3:47) this clearly shows wat ALLAH means to say by touch .yes i love my mother and sister but i love ALLAH MOST.

 
At 5:23 PM, Blogger smithy said...

Dear KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

When the context suits your need you claim literal meaning, when it doesn’t suit your need you claim (out of context) and when you ran out of excuses you claim bad translation, when I explain the translations you quote another verse that have nothing to do with anything, when I show you the quran you say the Hadith, when I show you the hadith you say the quran.

Quit your (taqiya and kitman)crap and look at the truth, the truth would set you free.

You’re grasping for straws. The truth hurts! Live with it.

 
At 12:18 AM, Anonymous KASHIF_IIT_INDIA said...

well dont get mad at me for making u run out of ideas.U know the truth n i know it.when u cant answer U say kitman n TAQIYYA.(thats not a part of sunni islam n im sunni muslim 4 ur information).I have not quoted a single verse out of context. There's always been a direct link if u read clearly with an open mind.

 
At 5:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

KASHIF_IIT_INDIA
have u read the injil ? if u haven't please try to read it.. Your Allah wont punish u for reading it.. u'll notice the meaning of peace.. its very very the opposite of islam.. u and your fellow moslem quote your self that a moslem will fight back only if they r being attack. well thats a natural human being would respons in anger.. thats why there will never be peace upon islam.. compare to injil Jesus (ISA to u)told us not to fight back if u r being attack, even He told us to pray for those who harm us.. read injil n u'll never find any offensive word that talk about fighting, killing or any of violence things.. it is only bout peace.. this is only if u r really love to find what peace means.. and what religion really tells bout peace.

 
At 11:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

INDONESIA SUCKZ ! faithfreedom.org is banned there.. and they sez we have the freedom to talk ! they sez that it is not a moslem country.. bullshit ! help us non-"satanic" islam in indonesia by hacking through our goverment sites...

 
At 2:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MR. SMITHY

FOR UR INFO, MOST OF THESE QURANIC PASSAGES ARE CONTEXTUAL!!!

for example, in the qur'an, in one place there it is written to kill the jews when u find them traitors. in another place it says that u can marry the jews and eat with them and treat them as ur brothers!! (5:5)

INFACT, the killing part was CONTEXTUAL and referred to the jews of madinah at THAT TIME ONLY..the jews had plotted to kill the prophet and they were traitors BUT all other jews are to be treated as brothers.

christians and jews are our brothers..we are PEOPLE OF THE BOOK

the qur'an says that good PEOPLE not muslims..PEOPLE will be taken top heaven and will be given 7 FOUNTAINS..not boys or girls..thats a common misinterpretation.

THE QUR'AN DOES NOT SAY MUSLIM ANYWHERE! IT SAYS PEOPLE! THIS SHOWS HOW GOD IS ADDRESSING ALL OF MANKIND. THUS EMPHASISING ON THE FACT THAT QUR'AN IS UNIVERSAL!!

JIHAD means struggling to do ones utmost in the way of Allah (i.e
moral and good means).
the so-called taliban and al-qaeda have it all wrong! this does NOT mean fight! the qur'an says that KILLING ONE PERSON IS LIKE KILLING ALL OF MANKIND. jihad lies in actions..reforming oneself first, then reforming others peacefully!
qur'an also says that THE INK OF A SCHOLAR IS WORTH THE BLOOD OF A HUNDRED MARTYRS! this stresses the emphasis of peace in islam!

the qur'an says that DO NOT ATTACK! DEFEND ONLY BUT DO NOT BE AGGRESSIVE (2:190)!

fighting is a last resort and is ONLY allowed when ALL FORMS OF PEACEFUL SOLUTIONS HAVE EXPIRED!

there IS women equality in islam!! qur'an says educate ur men AND women! about the hijab..qur;an says that IT IS BEST FOR U TO COVER UP WHEN IN PUBLIC. it only says cover bosom and head (24:31). IT IS BEST FOR U does NOT mean that women in islam have to! it is THEIR choice! i am a woman and i do not cover my head..that does not make me a non-muslim because IT IS MY CHOICE.
women are thought as STRONG in islam. only they can bleed for 7 days and not die. if men were strong, Allah would have given men the job of giving birth. mothers are thought of as Allah's shadow on earth because they have the ability to help Divine Providence.

in islam, it is said that the gates of heaven lie under ur mother's feet but the keys lie in ur father's happiness.
only he or she will go to heaven who looks after there parents. qur'an says DO NOT UTTER FIE IN FRONT OF UR PARENTS (17:23)!

islam is dynamic and flexible but we have made it strict and have developed new false ways! the REAL islam is nothing like u have mentioned..what all u have mentioned is the misinterpreted islam. islam has been misunderstood my non-muslims AND muslims.

the qur'an says THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION. (2:256)

all those who call themselves muslims and do not understand the real essence of islam are not muslims.

dear sir, i have set in front of you a valid argument and the proof. i am not pointing the fringer at non-muslims, ia m also pointing the finger at us muslims who are not following islam correctly. islam's hallmark is peace. i am a woman who is a muslim. dear sir, please read this with an open mind and see past all the stereotypes associated with islam. may god bless you.

P.S it will be much appreciated if u get back to me with ur honest views. i am an open-minded woman and i will be more than happy to hear ur opinon on what i have written. please get back to me on kittyzee@hotmail.co.uk

 
At 2:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am the same woman..the kittyzee@hotmail.co.uk one.

zaid, the prophet's ADOPTED SON married a girl who was thrown out of her house by her corrupt family for becoming muslim. being a HUMAN BEING, she was not able to have a happy marriage as NO ONE IS PERFECT. she took a divorce and was alone with no relative! the prophet married her to give her PROTECTION. the qur'an says that a man can have 4 wives..that was CONTEXTUAL and referred to the time, since there were many widows. the prophet, before this passage was revealed had married many times to offer protection and also for alliances. however, after this revelation, he never married again.
it was a tradition in arabia to marry a daughter in order to show aliance..it happens even now with royalty. he married aisha but she went to his house when she hit puberty and he only touched her when she permitted.

it is true that the jists of ur references are not lies but please DO NOT RELY ON FALSE ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS. please try and understand the arabic. arabic is a complicated language and a single translation mistake can cost one with a wrong meaning.

for examole, QULUB means heart, but if pronounced as KULUB or written wrongly, it can mean dog.

as for (4:43)...the referece u have mentioned, anything that intoxicates one and puts them out of their senses is forbidden. after having sex, men and women are requested to shower. when there are signs, for example, saying men at work, it does not refer to only men, it is a general meant for men and women.

P.S i wish to have a friendly conversation so please keep it friendly :)

 
At 2:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

me again!

to the person who mentioned injil..yes the injil is all about love! the qur'an mentions that the injil/bible which was sent, was all about the love of God for His creations!
the torah, was all about the punishments and was a strict book.

the qur'an is a mix of both love and punishment.

some punishments such as stoning and cutting the hand of a thief was contextual and only applied to that time.

the time when the qur'an was revealed, women were sold as cattle, baby-girls were buried alive and there was bloodshed everywhere.

hence, God sent hevy punishments to reform those people.

now, in the REAL islam, capital punishment is seen as a sin.

 
At 2:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

me once again!

dear fellow muslims on this page, please do not say things such as see u on judgement day! only God knows what is in our hearts.

dear smithy, please do not call this a punsihment. it is not a punishment! infact, it is an insight to how we have all lost the real and true essence of religion.

i take this as ur point of view which i respect and not as a punishment. therefore, i have set down my point of view in a friendly manner to show my side of the story.

 
At 3:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

me yet agian!

about why God said touch and not sex..
i think it is because, since we have a strong sense of modesty towards the opposite sex, the only woman a man would 'touch' is his own woman. humans have somewhat intelligence no matter who they are and i feel that it is quite understood that touch refers to sex.

i agree that THIS form of islam should be destroyed and the REAL islam, which is infact a normal and moral way of life should be once again brought to the surface.

all my fellow muslims should acknowledge the misinterpretations in islam and instead of preaching the non-muslims about how they are wrong and should rot in hell, they should be better muslims themselves and set an example for all those who have gone astray that what they do is not islam!! infact, islam is all the qualities of all other right religions as all the holy books and prophets, from which these religions are derived, are from the same God..for had there been two God's, there would hsve been chsos (21:22)

 
At 3:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

me yet agian!

about why God said touch and not sex..
i think it is because, since we have a strong sense of modesty towards the opposite sex, the only woman a man would 'touch' is his own woman. humans have somewhat intelligence no matter who they are and i feel that it is quite understood that touch refers to sex.

i agree that THIS form of islam should be destroyed and the REAL islam, which is infact a normal and moral way of life should be once again brought to the surface.

all my fellow muslims should acknowledge the misinterpretations in islam and instead of preaching the non-muslims about how they are wrong and should rot in hell, they should be better muslims themselves and set an example for all those who have gone astray that what they do is not islam!! infact, islam is all the qualities of all other right religions as all the holy books and prophets, from which these religions are derived, are from the same God..for had there been two God's, there would hsve been chsos (21:22)

 
At 1:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

VERSE 8:12

This verse - along with several ahead of it - was revealed in reference to the Battle of Badr, the first major battle between the Muslims and the Meccan pagans around 625 C.E. A little background is in order.

After the Prophet (pbuh) and his followers were expelled from Mecca and migrated to Yathrib (now known as Medina), a city 300 miles to the north, the Meccans seized all the property of the Muslims that was left in Mecca. This was an act of open war. When the Prophet learned that a large caravan of the Meccans was coming from Syria near Medina, he intended to attack it. Abu Sufyan, who was leading the caravan, learned of this planned attack and sent word to Mecca for protection. His fellow Meccans sent an army, and they met in battle at Badr. The Muslims handily defeated the Meccans, killing almost all of the most important leaders of Mecca.

Now, verse 8:12 comes into clearer focus. The verse speaks about what God told the angels to say to the believers, in order to inspire them before the battle. The Muslims were very fearful, especially since the Meccans were thrice their number, battle hardened, and much better equipped. This becomes even clearer when the verse is read in context:

[9]: Lo! You were praying unto your Sustainer for aid, whereupon He thus responded to you: “I shall, verily, aid you with a thousand angels following one upon another!”

[10]: And God ordained this only as a glad tiding, and that your hearts should thereby be set at rest - since no succour can come from any save God: verily, God is almighty, wise!

[11]: [Remember how it was] when He caused inner calm to enfold you, as an assurance from Him, and sent down upon you water from the skies, so that He might purify you thereby and free you from Satan’s unclean whisperings and strengthen your hearts and thus make firm your steps.

[12]: Lo! Thy Sustainer inspired the angels [to convey this His message to the believers]: “I am with you! [And He commanded the angels:] “And give firmness unto those who have attained to faith (with these words from Me:) ‘I shall cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks, and strike off every one of their finger-tips.’” [emphasis added]

See? The verse is clearly speaking about the events surrounding the Battle of Badr. It is not a general command to “strike at the necks of the infidels.”

 
At 7:39 PM, Anonymous Anti-Islam For Life said...

Excellent compilation. It really shows the true nature of the filth that is Islam. Thankfully there are still people like you who can see through all the bullshit of Islam and think practically. Bravo.

 
At 10:57 PM, Blogger ultimateblog said...

oh come on you non muslim you all say bad thing to muslim & islam look at the mirror! look at your own religion! what is christian? jews? even your bible is man made not from god and you know that! but you still a christian! this is autism you have no eye even you already know you wrong you won't wake up your heart is closed and for jews you say palestine is the promising land for jews from god
yes it's right it's should be but your jews ancestor refuse it musa(moses) told to the jews to life in palestine land but the jews refuse it! and then allah angry and curse the jews into no land race but now what did they do? they blame the palestine for taking their land! this is complete madnes! just wait kafiruun just wait you will know

 
At 7:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for your blog. It has opened my eyes to the truth of Islam. I was blind before but I understand these people a lot better now.

 
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At 9:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leviticus 26:29

You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters.

Deuteronomy 28:53

Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.

Deuteronomy 28:56-57

The most gentle and sensitive woman among you?so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot?will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.

2 Kings 6:29

So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."

Jeremiah 19:9

I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.'

Lamentations 2:20

"Look, O LORD, and consider: Whom have you ever treated like this? Should women eat their offspring, the children they have cared for? Should priest and prophet be killed in the sanctuary of the Lord?

Lamentations 4:10

With their own hands compassionate women have cooked their own children, who became their food when my people were destroyed.



John Gill says in his commentary...

shall the women eat their fruit; their children, the fruit of their womb, as the Targum; their newborn babes, that hung at their breasts, and were carried in their arms; it seems they did, as was threatened they should, Leviticus 26:29; and so they did at the siege of Samaria, and at the siege of Jerusalem, both by the Chaldeans and the Romans:

[and] children of a span long? or of a hand's breadth; the breadth of the palms of the hand, denoting very little ones: or "children handled," or "swaddled with the hands" (John Gill's Exposition to the Bible, Commentary on Lamentations 2:20, Source)



These were very poor innocent little babies being eaten by their parents. How cruel!

 
At 9:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you people hate muslims so much?

I have listened to hundreds of Islamic lectures and I have never heard any call to terrorism.

Listen Abu Khadeejah and Abu Hakeem and Abu Talhah and AAbu Uwais

 
At 1:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Men and women are equal in Islaam.

I have looked at your arguments and i have not found one decisive argument, everything you have brought can be explained easily via explanation of the salafi scholars. Have you looked at your society and your history.

The reason why there are Nobel Prize geniuses is because the Muslim has been in mess for hundreds of years. Muslim made progress in mathematics and astrology and other things in earlier.

However, the Muslims turned on each other, they adopted Christian and apagan and philiscophical ideas. Thousands of Muslim call upon the dead like the Christians do. An many Muslim believe that Allaah is everywhere and groups from the khawaarij such as the MuslimBrotherhood and Hizbu Tahrir take on Communist ideas. All innovation that came you people have destroyed Islaam. Over 100000 died in Iraq. No screams about them. thats ignorant muslims who arent even practicing their deen get begiled by terrorists because of the oppression you peole cause the muslims.

It is forbidden to a someone without a right. So how are you going to argue thst. its not jihaad. there are conditions.
This so called Arab Spring is from your methodolgy not ours. Your Marksist ideas and so called democrasy which is a shamble. it supposed to be the people ruling themselves. yet it seems to me that every party that comes in doesnt do much change the country and public opinion cannot change parliment or congress without massive protests and riots. All opf which is foreign to Islaam. It is forbidden to rebel against the ruler. not to cemrent the thrones of tyrants but avoid trials for the people and to avoid killing rather it is Salafi way to to supplicate for the rulers.

 
At 1:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

al-Qaeda and/or al-Talibaan is an American Invention see the BBC's power of nightmares and others.

Admit it you are afraid Islaam entering upon your homes

 
At 1:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Muhamad peace be upon him was not a rapist or a looter or a murderer or a pedophile bring your proof if you are truthful. Smithy

Forgive me if cant be bothered to look at the whole comments page. If you are upon the truth you will be sucessful.
After 9/11 and all the propaganda why are more and more people accepting Islaam. Its not that their uneducated their interest was sparked after litening to the likes of you.

 
At 7:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

AAYESHA or Aisha in english was mohhamad 3th and youngest wife! I think she was 6 y old! That makes mohhamad filthy pedomaniac pig, and those who support him are the same!

 
At 1:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good job, Smithy, creator of this comment! I see you raised a lot of 'mooselim' spirits high.
I am one of your many supporters. I myself am disgusted by this cult of Allah and I wish Mohammad was never born to bring perversion in the minds of the weak.
I would myself take Muhammad out of his grave and bring him front to any human Court of Law, prosecute him and send him to judgement. Then I would try to forget that such a monster was ever born.
Alex

 
At 6:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mohammad, first of all, was an illiterate. He could NOT even mark a mere sign on a piece of paper. How could we trust such an ignorant?
His 'revelations' were in fact what a madman could 'hear' in his paranoia. Voices that told him how to rule his small world. A deranged personality of a tribesman who reduced everything to his sick impulses.
How many more times do we have to hear the rants of a psychopath, one might ask? Why do we have to accept the stupidity of a fool, stating rules for humanity? Do we, people of the 21st century, have to wipe our back with the left hand only because the prophet said so? Do we have to marry children in order to please him?
Are we really supposed to kill in his name? Do we have to listen to his commands to kill the Jews and the homosexuals?
How could you not be ashamed of such a bastard preacher? How could you citizens accept that he was a rapist and a child molester?
Why do you Muslims have no shame in taking Mohammad as life model? Do you really think a man in his fifties could possibly marry and consume marriage with a child? If you do, then you are worse than your ignorant brute lord.
Shame on you Islam! Shame on you prophet Mohammad!

Alex


 
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